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Mod Kyudan  |
Session 4 - Mic Preamps DI - Drum Machine - will be online on or about January 19th.
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Mod Kyudan |
The following preamps were used on Session 4 - Drum Machine:
A Designs MP-1 API 528C API 3124 w/ stock '99 2520 opamp API 3124 w/ Millennia MM-990 opamp API 3124 w/ vintage 2520 opamp, Huntington, NY API 3124 w/ vintage 2520 opamp, Melville, NY Behringer UltraGain Pro Mic2200 FMR Audio RNP Great River MP-2 Great River MP-1NV HHB Radius 40 John Hardy M-1 Joe Meek VC6Q British Channel M-Audio Tampa Midiman Audio Buddy Millennia HV-3 Millennia M-2B Neve 33122 - Brent Averill version Speck MicPre 5.0 Studio Projects VTB-1 TL Audio 5051 Ivory 2 Dan Richards Digital Pro Sound The Listening Sessions [This message was edited by Dot on 01-19-03 at 02:35 AM.] |
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Mod Kyudan |
Session 4 - Mic Preamps DI - Drum Machine is now online for your listening pleasure.
Please give us your feedback! Dan Richards Digital Pro Sound The Listening Sessions [This message was edited by Dot on 01-19-03 at 04:06 AM.] |
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Mod Kyudan |
Well, now that I sit at home and listen with my Extreme Isolation Headphones, there appears to be some faint ground hum on some of the tracks that's gone undetected.
I'll leave Session 4 online, but will be going back in to the studio to track it again. I'll post when the new takes are up. Not to worry. This is a huge ongoing project that's just gotten started and we're ironing out the kinks. Definitely some humbling learning experiences in these early sessions. : ) Dan Richards Digital Pro Sound The Listening Sessions |
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Transistor sound 5th kyu  |
quote: Can you get access to a Waldorf Rack Attack? It would be great to test that drum machine against these DI's. Dan, this is a really great effort you're putting together here. Thanks! Mike |
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Yondan |
Dan, great job. I'm real glad I've loaned you that FMR RNP. It sounded crapped out on the first hit but after that it was way tight.
--Steve, publisher of Mojo Pie www.piemusic.com |
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Yondan |
i have to download samples at work....
and all i have is a computer speaker setup, with sub..... now, i listen to all kinds of cd's all day, so i do know this little system.... but i will bring in my nice AT headphones, and listen closely again...... i downloaded just 4 samples, they were the ones in the price range where i'm at right now.... #15-vtb-1 -of the 4 i sampled, the most coloration- i liked this one the best.....i guess the tubes brought out more snare pop and depth- i'm sure this is a "bogus" tone, not a pure tone, but i think i'm partial to the mild distortion that a little tube voltage seems to put on the signal.. and it seems to smooth out the rough edges, not unlike the dither effect.... #20- hhb radius 40-more midrangy-not as deep as the vtb-1 effect.... #28-audio buddy-pretty neutral-snare sounds less deep than the #15 #29-fmr rnp- more trebly- not as deep of a tone on the kick-levels don't seem as hot on the kick-brought out more of the snare. i'd say of the 4, this is the most neutral, the the audiobuddy, then the hhb, then the vtb-1. my preference lies with the most coloration, or the vtb-1. gonzo-x |
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Transistor sound 5th kyu |
In a quick listen to session 4, track 14 and 15 (two of the Studio Projects VTB-1 samples) were noticeably louder than tracks 1,3,5 (three of the API 3124 samples). Psychoacoustically, people will tend to associate 'louder' with 'better', which will skew any results of informal listening tests done with these samples. I understand it's often difficult to line up levels exactly, but these listening sessions will end up having less utility than they could have had with tighter control on level matching.
Mike |
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Yondan |
so i just turned the player down, to match the volume.
same end result. i liked it more. gonzo-x |
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Transistor sound 5th kyu |
quote: Actually, I didn't even read your previous post, and my comments had nothing to do with whether or not you liked the VTB-1 or not. Not on my care list. I do care that the samples are not level matched, that WILL unfairly bias towards those of louder levels. Mike |
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Mod Kyudan |
gonz, good to hear your feedback.
Polyblend, several top mic and pre designers are currently consulting with us on exactly that point - scientifically evening out the db levels. Good to hear your feedback, because that's exactly what we're looking for in these early sessions. Dan Richards Digital Pro Sound The Listening Sessions |
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Transistor sound 5th kyu |
Hey, you could always hire me as a consultant - I worked in telecom on both the product development and standards committee side implementing objective loudness ratings, something very similar to what you need.
Mike |
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Mod Kyudan |
Polyblend, how would you approach matching db levels?
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Transistor sound 5th kyu |
quote: Free consulting? ha ha ha ha....  I was paid well over 6 figures to do my job until I left a few months ago. In all my wisdom I thought I'd go back to school and do some studio work and engineering consulting on the side... Seriously, I can help you with this problem, but it's not an overnight solution. Let me know if you'd like to discuss it further. Mike |
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Mod Kyudan |
Free "consulting"? People post questions, answers and advice all the time for people on forums. That's kinda' what they're about.
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Transistor sound 5th kyu |
quote: Yes they do. And solving difficult technical problems is also something people get paid for. I don't see any preamp and mic vendors on these forums giving away their products for free to help any of us 'solve' our preamp problems. Dan, I didn't mean to offend you. I certainly enjoy contributing to many different technical discussions on various recording forums, and I try to add ideas and experiences from years of signal processing research and development when appropriate. I already gave you a very vague idea on how to solve the problem earlier in the thread. Beyond that, the formal solution to the problem has value beyond free advice in a forum, just as much as someone building a piece of hardware might talk about design vagaries in public but wouldn't give away their detailed trade secrets. In fact, Dolby Labs makes a device for measuring objectively subjective broadcast speech levels: http://www.dolby.com/products/LM100/ THEY certainly aren't on here telling everyone how it is done. Anyhow, this is silly. Let's go back to our regular programming... Mike |
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Mod Kyudan |
There are actually several solutions that don't remotely even border on "difficult technical problems". They are, in fact, quite simple.
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Transistor sound 5th kyu |
Well, you certainly don't need my advice then. Want to tell everyone what those solutions are?
Mike |
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Mod Kyudan |
Ah, jeez, then I'd have to charge everyone a bunch of money ! Ha!
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Transistor sound 5th kyu |
quote: Well, you'll probably do better than the banner ad route...  Mike |
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