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1st kyu |
im trying new ways of recording an acoustic guitar. i would to know whats the best experience u guys have had when recording acoustic guitar. i find it very difficult. give me some tips guys.
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6th kyu |
Here is a copy/paste of a post I made on another forum. Not sure if it's exactly what you're looking for though.
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1st kyu |
mm interesting does string type matter when recording acoustic? beucase i have metal strings right now.
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Sandan |
My current favorite is a Cardoid aimed somewhere between the 12th Fret and the Soundhole about 1' away.
A second Fig 8 Mic aimed SIDEWAYS used in an M/S configuration (do a search for M/S Stereo). jmp |
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6th kyu |
String type definitely matters. But that's one of those things that can vary a lot due to many different factors. I use medium bronze wound on my jumbo so I can get a dark tone with a lot of overtones.
Problem is the exact same setup may have a different effect in the hands of another guitarist. It's a bit like asking which pre-amp to use on someone's vocals, without knowing what the person sounds like, what mic is used, or what style is sung. |
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4th kyu |
I usually have a condenser at about he 12th fret a foot away pointing toward the soundhole and another condenser up over my right shoulder pointing down. Experiment moving the mics a bit further away maybe and also with the positioning of the guitar. Wearing headphones helps me alot keeping centered between the mics. You can pan them as you like when mixing.
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1st kyu |
iv never liked the way i record steel string.. iv always like the way nylon strings sound.. perhaps becuase they sound more natural. but i want to learn how to try some of ur technique. listen to this.. i always wondered how they did these songs
http://www.mediamax.com/badsound/Hosted/10%20Un%20Beso.wma and listen to this one from frank jay gotta go towards the middle.. i like the way those sound preety smooth. http://youtube.com/watch?v=4dOveRZhTec |
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6th kyu |
From those two links I would guess that you would be more apt to want nylon strings in most cases. Unfortunately there is a bit of bad news. That first link is really good. And VERY aggressive. No strings will just make that happen honestly. You'll have to work on finger technique to really and truly match it. The attack alone will be hard to nail.
Do you already play this style and technique a bit? |
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1st kyu |
oh no no i dont play but i know thr guy who recorded that acoustic thing.. i might use him later but i dont want him to come and i dont know how to mic it. thats why i want to do learn some more before i pay someone and mic the recording all wrong.. my guess is that with a combo of mics and pickups u can achieve that sound
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1st kyu |
see this is steel.. http://youtube.com/watch?v=YwGhZmR99WM i wana be able to make steel sound like this(perfect example) what do u guys thing?
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Kyudan |
Gonna say this again in this context:
Source is 85% of it. Source includes the strings, guitar itself, PICK, room... Pick makes a HUGE difference on acoustic. I generally tend to record with thin picks--even though I really hate to play with picks that thin. Unless I'm not strumming much, then I'll pick a duller sounding but stronger attack pick like a thicker tortex. New strings are important, too. I change strings for every acoustic session. Coated strings are the devil. I've gotten cool, but differing acoustic sounds with all kinds of mics/positions/preamps/compressor settings...but, the above remains true. I can't remember EVER being happy with the tone of old strings or an inappropriate pick for the part...or a guitar that wasn't my style. . . . . For further proof of my lack of expertise, please listen to:My Tunes |
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6th kyu |
Ah, sorry I misunderstood. I thought you were asking from a player's standpoint. Yeah don't worry too much about it then. Study a few of the typical mic positions and then let yourself experiment with placement. The majority of your job will be done at the first step of the signal chain (the guitarist.)
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1st kyu |
mmm so is a nice dry room generally the best bet?
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6th kyu |
Room treatment is a whole different can of worms honestly. I wouldn't want a 'dead' room. But I guess if I had to choose between terrible room or dry room I'd go with dry.
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1st kyu |
what do u guys think about those acoustic eletric guitars with the acoustic pick ups at the bridge kind of tucked in the saddle? are those preety good pick ups for acoustics and if so, do u have to record in a good acoustic space with those kinds?
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Kyudan |
(good) Pickups generally sound awful next to a lousy mic.
...under the bridge PUs sound lousy next to good pickups. Pickups in a acoustic guitars are 100% for live application, IMO. No business in the studio. What kind of acoustic guitar are you recording? . . . . For further proof of my lack of expertise, please listen to:My Tunes |
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1st kyu |
what? well like i said before i dont play.. but my cousin does have a yamaha sounds preety good and it has one of those bridge pickups.. soo thier for livee! that explains so much. but thier are some acoustic pickups that go in the whole.. how about those? |
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Yondan |
You generally want to avoid using pickups to record acoustic guitar. If you're not playing, find the best spot for your mics by sticking your head in front of the guitar while the player plays. Move your head around slowly. When it sounds breath-takingly beautiful, put a mic where your ear is - careful, an inch is like a mile. Use more than one mic if you like (don't forget 3:1 rule), record them to separate tracks to mix later. mud www.mudbean.com Everyone brings joy to my room ... some by entering, some by leaving. "He was a dreamer, a thinker, a speculative philosopher ... or, as his wife would have it, an idiot." -- Douglas Adams |
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Shodan |
No matter what mic configuration you decide on, if you're recording a guitar that has a pickup and you've got a spare track, record the pickup too. Depending on the song, you might be able to mix in just a touch of the pickup to increase the cut and attack of the guitar sound.
------------------------------ http://www.walkergibson.com |
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5th kyu |
Yeah, what he said. A thing I do sometimes is use two mics and pan them hard left and right and then use the guitar pickup as a mono track to give it a bit of depth. But you need to have a half decent pickup in the guitar or that might not work so well. |
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